Graham Gooch Marcus Trescothick Robin Smith Kevin Pietersen Allan Lamb Andrew Flintoff Ian Botham Alec Stewart Darren Gough Bob Willis Derek Underwood
Not a bad team I guess, though myself I'd have David Gower in place of Allan Lamb.No disrespect to Lamb but I think gowerwas one of the best English batsmen ever so someone had to go to make room for him. Any thoughts...?
Graham Gooch Marcus Trescothick Robin Smith Kevin Pietersen Allan Lamb Andrew Flintoff Ian Botham Alec Stewart Darren Gough Bob Willis Derek Underwood
Not a bad team I guess, though myself I'd have David Gower in place of Allan Lamb.No disrespect to Lamb but I think gowerwas one of the best English batsmen ever so someone had to go to make room for him. Any thoughts...?
No, Lamby has to be in there ... he was always getting stuck in in the 1-dayers. Don't remember Gower doing much.
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U guys are a bunch of tossers. Who gives a **** about selecting the "best of" team for a nation that is ranked only above Bangladesh, Croatoa, and the Vatican City in the World Rankings. I will run naked around Valburga, the day that the poms score more runs then their number of cricket MBE's.
scottoz99 wrote:U guys are a bunch of tossers. Who gives a **** about selecting the "best of" team for a nation that is ranked only above Bangladesh, Croatoa, and the Vatican City in the World Rankings. I will run naked around Valburga, the day that the poms score more runs then their number of cricket MBE's.
Nice to see the Aussies being so magnanimous in victory as they so memorably were in defeat.
Hey, anyone fancy doing a Worst Ever Aussie ODI XI? I'm thinking Gillespie and Kasprowicz taking the new ball, and perhaps Matthew Elliott and Kim "Kimberley" Hughes opening the batting?
Nice to see the Aussies being so magnanimous in victory as they so memorably were in defeat.
Hey, anyone fancy doing a Worst Ever Aussie ODI XI? I'm thinking Gillespie and Kasprowicz taking the new ball, and perhaps Matthew Elliott and Kim "Kimberley" Hughes opening the batting?
You're lucky. Our man Scottoz99 seems to be mellowing in his old age.
By the way would that be the Jason Gillsepie with a One day average of 25.42,
142 wickets and a highest score of 44 not out. Think he'd make the England squad?
2 of those players you mentioned have hit test 200s by the way. Elliot "only" got 199! Kasprowicz you can have.
El Presidente wrote:By the way would that be the Jason Gillsepie with a One day average of 25.42,
142 wickets and a highest score of 44 not out?
Um, yes it would. But I think you'd agree he's a shadow of his former self.
2 of those players you mentioned have hit test 200s by the way. Elliot "only" got 199! I was talking one-dayers, and Elliott ("temperamentally flawed... prone to serious bouts of self-doubt and a tendency to let injuries rule his thought processes" - S Waugh) was only deemed good enough to play one of those.
Anyone can hit a test 200 if you play for long enough, can't they? KJ Hughes apparently had talent but was frankly a bit of a disaster - the worst test captaincy record of any Aussie batsman in living memory and never made a ODI 100 in nearly 100 attempts. And as any fule kno, double-hundreds against Bangladesh don't count. Just ask Ian Bell.
I think for the spinner's position, it would have to be a toss-up between Tim May and Peter McIntyre...
El Presidente wrote:By the way would that be the Jason Gillsepie with a One day average of 25.42,
142 wickets and a highest score of 44 not out?
Um, yes it would. But I think you'd agree he's a shadow of his former self.
2 of those players you mentioned have hit test 200s by the way. Elliot "only" got 199! I was talking one-dayers, and Elliott ("temperamentally flawed... prone to serious bouts of self-doubt and a tendency to let injuries rule his thought processes" - S Waugh) was only deemed good enough to play one of those.
Anyone can hit a test 200 if you play for long enough, can't they? KJ Hughes apparently had talent but was frankly a bit of a disaster - the worst test captaincy record of any Aussie batsman in living memory and never made a ODI 100 in nearly 100 attempts. And as any fule kno, double-hundreds against Bangladesh don't count. Just ask Ian Bell.
I think for the spinner's position, it would have to be a toss-up between Tim May and Peter McIntyre...
Peter McIntyre I'll give you. Same with Greg Ritchie. Wayne Phillips (the bald Victorian one), Rod McCurdy, Greg Campbell, Scott Muller, Mike Whitney, Dave Gilbert, Anthony Stuart, Shane Lee, Matthew Nicholson - all clearly rubbish.
I seem to remember Tim May taking a lot of wickets though.
As for anyone scoring 200 if they stick around long enough, why has only Paul Collingwood got one in the England set-up? Before him who was the last test cricketer to score one? Australia can boast Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist and Brad Hodge to Gillespie as current players who have one. Greg Blewett is still nominally playing in Australia to and he has also got one.
I seem to remember Tim May taking a lot of wickets though.
Well... his ODI average was over 45, and he took less than one wicket per match.
As for anyone scoring 200 if they stick around long enough, why has only Paul Collingwood got one in the England set-up? Before him who was the last test cricketer to score one? Australia can boast Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist and Brad Hodge to Gillespie as current players who have one. Greg Blewett is still nominally playing in Australia to and he has also got one.
Because the side is still relatively young overall. Anyway, Trescothick has one. As has Bell, if we are going to count Bangladesh. And I don't think anyone could doubt that Pietersen will eventually. Also Vaughan has scores of 197, 195, 183, 177, 166 and 156 to his name - I'll take that. But in all seriousness I don't see a test 200 as being the best mark of greatness.
I seem to remember Tim May taking a lot of wickets though.
Well... his ODI average was over 45, and he took less than one wicket per match.
As for anyone scoring 200 if they stick around long enough, why has only Paul Collingwood got one in the England set-up? Before him who was the last test cricketer to score one? Australia can boast Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist and Brad Hodge to Gillespie as current players who have one. Greg Blewett is still nominally playing in Australia to and he has also got one.
Because the side is still relatively young overall. Anyway, Trescothick has one. As has Bell, if we are going to count Bangladesh. And I don't think anyone could doubt that Pietersen will eventually. Also Vaughan has scores of 197, 195, 183, 177, 166 and 156 to his name - I'll take that. But in all seriousness I don't see a test 200 as being the best mark of greatness.
Apologies to Trescothick. Bell definitely only got 164 against Bangladesh.
No, 200 does not make one great, and fair point about Vaughan's scores. I was just saying that maybe the 4 players you chose were maybe not the worse 4 you could have picked. Gillespie had a poor series but has been a bloody good player in all forms of cricket for a while. He got disposed of, Harmison had a similarly shocking series, but is not considered a total failure on the basis of one bad series. I think Gillespie is quite unfairly labelled as a below par player when that is clearly not the case. He has had a long and successful career with one poor run of form. Elliot and Kim Hughes were world class players. Kim Hughes had a tough job as captain as he had not chosen to join the Packer Circus and didn't have the support of those who had - Rod Marsh, the Chappell Brothers and others. This was a major factor in shortening his career as both a captain and player.
I only started this as an attempt to wind up scottoz99 after his comments earlier. Finding 11 genuinely poor Australian internationals would be a tricky task! However, scottoz appears to have walked away (with his tail between his legs?) so I can ease off now.
